Maybe Pope Didn't Say "That's Not Right" After All...


UPDATE July 10: To erase the disturbing image of Pope Francis smiling at the Commifix, the Bear presents Pope Francis' visit to the head of state of San Marco, as portrayed in Woody Allen's 1971 film "Bananas." (El Presidente was a collector of fine art: black velvet paintings of, er, questionable taste.)

On a more serious note, the expression that has been interpreted as "disapproving" is Francis' default expression, as you can see in many photos when he is not actually grinning broadly in response to some stimulus. And there is no doubt he did smile when receiving That Which Should Not Be. Anything more is spin.

For what it's worth, the entire exchange is said by many Spanish speakers to be: Pope: "I didn't know that." El Presidente: "Now you know."

And THIS is why the Bear wrote before this revelatory tour, "Only Nixon can go to China." Unless you're an anti-communist, you are going to wind up looking like a stooge if you hobnob with communists.


Whew! I was worried he was going to give me a hammer and sickle crucifix!


Oh, great.

A smiling Pope Francis received a Communist hammer and sickle crucifix during a state visit with the Bolivian president. Early reports stated that the smiling pontiff said, "No, that's not right" while accepting the gift. However, later reports claim he can be heard saying "I didn't know that," instead.

If the President of Bolivia gave the Bear a bear rug, he would rip his lower jaw off.

If the President of Bolivia had tried to give Pope John Paul II or Ronald Reagan a hammer and sickle crucifix one can imagine the same thing happening. (For you younger readers, the 80s were crazy like that.)

So who are you going to believe? Patheos or your lyin' eyes?

Comments

  1. Is this better or worse than a square and compass cross?

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    1. Same. When was the Masonic cross?

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    2. Thankfully, that's never happened. The only time a direct connection between Francis and masonry has surfaced, at least to my knowledge, was when he spoke of 'masonic lobbies' being a danger during the infamous 'who am I to judge' conference. I still don't know how to feel after reading that transcript.

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    3. Search for the "beast cross" and the "francis ying-yang cross" and the "snake staff" and the "resurrexifix" and "Papal Cross Sculptor has a Snake Tattoo". There will be more coming I am sure.

      And the freemason connection is more than that. Search for "Freemasons of Italy and Argentina express their joy"

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    4. Well, yeah, but at this point about the only thing left for the enemy is to claim false victory through lauding the Pope (and the Church in general), which says a lot about the past hundred years (in that now praising the Pope is apparently a way of leading us astray). What says even more is that it's not even that necessary to create confusion with Francis, who's apparently trying his damnedest to make me a sedevacantist. Could you imagine St. Pius X apologizing for the Church? FRANCIS : STOP APOLOGIZING FOR THE CHURCH!!!!!!!!!! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

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  2. Earlier, Rome Reports took the "That's not right" translation down. There is a solidifying consensus that the words were rather, "I did not know it" in reply to a bit of trivia about the item mentioned by Morales.

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  3. Also, while I have seen pictures where the Pope was looking serious (some say "clearly displeased") in this one it is pretty clear to me that he his smiling. Look, it's a gift from a head of state. We'll never know if Francis was being awkwardly polite or thought it was really cool. But this is a Pope known for his strict image control. Are we to believe Popes receive gifts on state visits that aren't cleared in advance? Maybe. But whether or not it was approved, it is Francis who dug this pit for himself, then fell into it. Remember the Bear wrote earlier that the Pope couldn't go to Cuba because "Only Nixon could go to China?" This is exactly the sort of thing he had in mind.

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  4. It's all a freaking distraction anyway. He told a million people (or whatever it was) that Jesus' words at the last supper were about social revolution. If that's not Liberation Theology, Karl Marx was a Hindu.

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  5. I think Pope Francis sees this as a symbol of the closeness of Communism and Catholicism which I'm pretty sure was it's intent. More and more we see PF for what he is: a sociopolitical figure with an overlay of religious sentiment.

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  6. They used to have a particular term for this sort of little tap-dance now being performed off-stage by Reverend Lombardi in order to distract from Bergolio's jesuitical on-stage outrages:

    "Plausible Deniability".

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  7. You should check out on YouTube Cardinal Mc Carrick's speech he gave at Vilanova University on Pope Francis and the Conclave. It is very intriguing starting around the 17 minute mark.. In a canvassing" sort of way.. a visit by an important influential Italian man promising basically Cardinal Bergoglio will deliver the goods... Anyway watch the entire speech.

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  8. This all has a very They Live! feel to it. But who's wearing the special sunglasses?

    Over on Father Z's article on the hammer and crucifickle incident yesterday, many of the comments were along the lines of Golly! The Holy Father looks really angry! I guess heads are gonna roll back at the office! But when I watched the video, I saw the pope listen intently with a serious expression, shake his head briefly, smile, nod, smile some more, and keep on nodding. He didn't look especially put out or irritated to me; he might have been, but there was no way to know for sure.

    It reminded me of the now-famous photo of the pope holding an anti-fracking t-shirt. Many Catholics argued at the time that the pope's grave expression clearly indicated displeasure at having been tricked into an "endorsement" that he would not have agreed to otherwise. But then it turned out that there were several such photos with at least two different t-shirts. And then an 8-minute video of the meeting surfaced, indicating that the Holy Father was a willing participant throughout, choosing appropriate locations for the photo-ops, and giving his own disquisition on capitalism and the environment for the benefit of his guests.

    I don't know what was said at the meeting with Morales, and of course I don't know the Holy Father's private intentions. But it's amazing to me that we Catholics can all see the same thing but draw completely incompatible conclusions from it.

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    1. It's called discernment and is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Many (most) people in the Church today value something else more than truth. The Pope, being in the popular group, a fondness for certain pet sins, whatever. You're right. The least mysterious thing so far in this 21st century has been Commiegate. And yet people would rather pluck out their own eyes than risk a glimpse of the truth. Truly the blind are leading the blind.

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    2. Aaaaaannnnd, speaking of new videos, here we go. (Courtesy of FrereRabit's comment over at Vox Cantoris.)

      Yes, they're sedes. (I'm not, fwiw.) Ignore the characteristic NovusOrdoWatch snark and watch the videos. It certainly seems to put the matter to rest.

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    3. You say "snark" like it's a bad thing.

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  9. I think they're planning a concert. They're gonna sing PP&M's "If I Had a Hammer...and Sickle"

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    1. Maybe he'll tape that Commiefix to his staff to show his poverty.

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  10. Actually, I think I know what they were saying. Morales shows Francis the commie-fix (good one!).

    Morales: "Do you feel...like I do..?"
    Francis: "That's all right. That's all right...garbled..." [synthesizer]

    Courtesy of Peter Frampton setting to to music.

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  11. Francis speaks on return flight interview:

    It was a time when liberation theology had many different branches. One of the branches was with ***Marxist analysis of reality. Fr Espinal belonged to this, this. Yes, I knew*** because I was in those years rector of the theology faculty and we talked a lot about it, about the different branches and who were the representatives, no?... Let’s do the hermeneutic of that time: Espinal was an enthusiast of this Marxist analysis of the reality, but also of theology using Marxism. From this, he came up with this work [Marxifix]. Also the poetry of Espinal was of this kind of protest. But, it was his life, it was his thought. ***He was a special man, with so much human geniality, who fought ian good faith***, no? Making a hermeneutic like this, I understand this work. ***For me it wasn’t an offense*** ...

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