Monday, November 30, 2015

Pope Bows to Mecca -- Why It's a Big Thing

Pope Francis bowed to this, just like a Muslim.
The Bear has not seen much of interest in the Pope's visit to the Central African Republic. We knew he was going to talk to Evangelicals about "the ecumenism of blood" and "the scandal of division within Christianity." We knew he was going to visit a mosque and do whatever politeness requires. So, at first, he was inclined to skip over the whole... thing. (The Bear was searching for a word; if "PR Stunt" could be used in the best possible way, meaning no disrespect, that would capture it.)

There's no reason to suppose the Holy Father is insincere about any of this. If anything, he may be one of those people who are too sincere. "Fanatic" would be too strong a word, of course, but something like that. Perhaps "enthusiast."

What compounds that problem is that he lacks an organic approach to issues. With Pope Francis, everything feels bolted on. 

Mercy! What that adds or expresses about the mercy always available from the Church is unexplained. It is like if I told my wife, "Starting December 8, for a whole year, I'm going to love you!" She would be justified in wondering what that implies about the "normal" time outside of the Year of Love. One suspects more PR: focus the people's attention on the mercy of the Church. The Bear supposes this is not such a bad thing, but it does make it sound "new and improved!" Still, the Bear is inclined to withhold judgment until we see it in action.

Similarly, we witnessed the determination for divorced and remarried Catholics to have access to Holy Communion, come Hell or high water. That implicates several doctrines of the Church, but as far as the Bear knows, none of the brilliant minds at the Synod even tried to finesse the issue. Again, an idea seized Pope Francis, and he was prepared to bolt it on any old way, as long as it got stuck onto the Church.

The Bear said, "he lacks an organic approach to issues." Perhaps a better way of saying it is that he does not connect the dots. Maybe he can't. Maybe he just doesn't see the need to bother.

When the Bear read that the Pope bowed toward Mecca during a visit to a mosque, he didn't get very excited. Why of course Pope Francis would do that. He did it in Turkey last year.


But the more the Bear thought about it, the more of a problem he found. Fine, take your shoes off, but does bowing in the direction of Mecca differ qualitatively? Sure it does. If you bow toward Mecca like Muslims do, you are performing a religious gesture. Of course, Pope Francis realizes this, unless he really is Chauncey Gardener. No Muslim would genuflect in a Catholic Church if he understood the significance of the act. (Or kiss a Bible, but that's ancient history.)

Being Pope of Rome should be enough. Of course he should be cordial to other religions as chief example and head of state of the Vatican. But adopt their practices in whatsoever small degree? Christians have died rather than do that. Pope Francis has an idée fixe about the essential unity of all religions -- especially the Three Amigos Great Abrahamic Religions, only one of which has any valid notion of God and salvation. (That would be the Catholic religion for those among you who have not been properly catechized or are popes.) 

This is emphatically not Catholic at all. Would it be going too far to say that Pope Francis possesses praiseworthy humanitarian instincts, but not ordinary Catholic instincts? That would explain why he simply doesn't understand why a Catholic should be at least uncomfortable bowing toward Mecca, if not violently resistant. Would you? Ah, what's a bow, Bear? Ah, what's a pinch of incense, Holy Father?

It isn't just a bow. It's a window into the very scary mind of Jorge Bergoglio, who became the Bishop of Rome, and who joked about his "neuroses." What he really thinks he is is anyone's guess, but the Bear bets "Bishop of Rome" doesn't begin to cover it.

Humility is the most unstable virtue. It can flip to pride in a heartbeat. And pride's motto is, "Such concerns do not apply to me."

See also: Mahound's Paradise. Pope Francis says don't get bogged down in small issues like contraception until poverty is eliminated in the world. The man is hopeless. Patience.

30 comments:

  1. Have you seen the awful logo for Year of Mercy. I get that it has some traditional background, but...ugh. I've said my piece on it at my blog.

    http://www.im.va/content/gdm/en.html

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    1. Yes. We're just trying to be merciful here, you know.

      The thing is a freakshow.

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  2. A couple of points about the translation presented at Mahound's:

    "who believe in the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying..." that is a very big mistranslation. He said: who believe to posses absolute truth... Big difference! Pope Francis says many troubling things, but he didn't just deny absolute truth.
    He also didn't say the Muslim's values were his. He said: "We can talk. These values: He prays, I pray. Prayer, for example, and fasting, are religious values. Also the values".

    Now, I do vote for the erasure of satanic "religions" at their core. And I am perplexed that we should even think about comparing something like that to the true religion. Obama deja-vu here.. the crusades... Pfft!

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    1. He's the "Bridge Builder." He has been sent to save the planet, end poverty, bring peace and unite all religions. What cruelty to give him so little time to accomplish his destiny! The crack about worrying about small things like contraception after we solve world poverty is just demented. Even Jesus acknowledged that "the poor you will always have with you." Not Pope Francis, who heals on the sabbath, too. And there's another famous false dichotomy: contraception OR feeding the hungry. Personally, I think he was just trying to avoid getting caught in Pope Emeritus' "condom controversy," which, at that moment trumped articulating the Catholic faith. He was happy to throw contraception under the bus rather than squirm for a couple of minutes.

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  3. It is interesting he prays in the direction of a religion that denies Christ and yet doesn't pray in the direction of Christ (East) during Mass.

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    1. A lot of good Catholics assist at the new liturgy, so, please, let's not go there.

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    2. That's true, Bear, but that doesn't change the fact stated by Michael. If those good Catholics are a little confused by the sorry state that is the Novus Ordo (as regularly practiced), then it is our duty to inform them of the questionable habits that lie therein.

      My blog: aguardian.blogspot.com

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  4. I think Pope Francis is the kind of person who would have burned a little incense to Ceasar when the Romans came.

    Also, Isn't bowing to Mecca an act of apostasy since Islam denies Christ is the Son of God?

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    1. In Pope Francis' muddled masonic-style religious sensibilities, Islam really is a form of the True Faith, just as Judaism really is a form of the True Faith. They believe in the same God we do, so bowing toward Mecca just isn't a problem for him. The fact that that is complete nonsense isn't a problem for him, either.

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    2. He has specifically lumped Muslims in with Christians as "believers", using the term as you say, just like a Freemason would/does.

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    3. Yes, it is. Mortalium Animos #2. Also a public sin against the 1st commandment.
      -D.Brooks

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  5. He's really no different from JP2 who kissed the Koran and prayed aloud "May John the Baptist protect Islam." Francis, however, espouses more heresies than JP2 and is more open in admitting them. We should be thankful he's so open----easier to write him off as an antipope and put him on ignore.

    Seattle kim

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    1. JP2 did some questionable things and also refused to act on certain things, but I never questioned whether he believed or not.

      Pope Francis on the other hand is essentially begging to be called an anti-pope, which I have on my blog as well as others.

      aguardian.blogspot.com

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  6. Fundamentally I do not care for Pope Francis. Or his very suggestive Mercy logo. The mercy we need is that kind that allows us to endure him and still remain Catholics.

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    1. That requires patience. It won't be too long.

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    2. Does anyone have any idea who is on deck? I mean, if this is what the Cardinals were after, why should they not elect the same type of man again, for the Chair of Peter? I hate to sound like a Negative Nellie, but can we actually get away from this situation of an out there pope?

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    3. I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but it seems to me, based on the Church we see today and the age/generation of the current crop of possibles, that we are in for about 10 more years of the same sort of thing, assuming Pope Francis dies or resigns in the next couple years. If you do the math, it could run as long as 20 years or longer if a relapse of the seminaries occurs as a result of wreckage caused by Pope Francis and a subsequent Pope.

      Then again, the Lord works in very unpreictable ways at times. The Council of Trent and Pope Pius V followed a number of bad Popes. So let's brace for impact, but prepare also for soaring heights.

      We desperately need a new type of Revolutionary in the Church, one who leads a Revolution of Righteousness. Pray for the Pope and future Pope and for the Church and for the lost souls who seem to have been forgotten by all those who think other religions lead to eternal life.

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    4. Cardinals don't want to destroy the Church. I believe most of them can't believe what a horrible mistake they made and Team Bergoglio will have zero credibility. Credibility will be what they're after, so I think we'll do much better.

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    5. Because that worked out so well for serious dems in 2012?

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  7. As a relatively new convert, what I do not understand about Catholics in general is the fact that few seem to care about these things.

    As an ex-Protestant, I find these acts of willing submission to a demonic religion to be utterly and truly horrific. Of course, since V2 we are told that Muslims are fellow "believers" as the Pope himself said not too long ago. And it seems few Catholics really care. Just as few cared when...Pope St John Paul 2 kissed the Koran.

    Bishop Fellay just the other day nailed it. I am not SSPX but credit where credit is due. He said something to the effect that we have lost our horror of sin. That, frankly, more than any other thing, the more I think about it, is what troubles me about the current occupant of the Vatican and for that matter what "popular" Catholicism in general. A dullness to sin. A who-cares attitude {after all, we have the Eucharist!} about the affront to God that our personal and corporate sin represents. Just as artificial contraceptuion is effectively a dead issue in the Catholic Church {the Pope himself says he'll get to that topic when clean water is available to all and arms trafficking is stopped...}.

    What really troubles me...is just that...Catholicism isn't Catholic. And more and more under the pseudo-leadership of this man Bergoglio, it is simply anti-Catholic.

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    1. Most Catholics are Catholic in the same sense and same influence as being white, black or brown has on their behavior, i.e, basically none.

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  8. I don't understand at all why we have "interfaith dialogues" with the same religion that calls for our extermination. I mean, is there any purpose to any ecumenism aside from that with the Orthodox Churches (Byzantine and Non-Chalcedonian) and the Assyrian Church?

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    1. A world federation of religions. I believe faith is so weak that many honestly see little difference among the Three Amigos Great Abrahamic Religions. It all comes down to being nice and helping people, anyway.

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    2. Great topic. Disagree with this, however.

      Islam is not an Abrahamic religion. I think muslims would like to claim that distinction, but they are wrong. It comes from that region, but is not connected in any meaningful way. That gives them a legitimacy that is not their due.

      Islam was dreamed up by a violent pervert (mohammed) in the 6th century Arabian desert. Period. Abraham and his God have nothing to do with that dementia.

      The only Abrahamic religions are Judaism, whose covenant is revoked, and Christianity whose covenant is Judaisms fulfillment. There is a direct line from Father Abraham, to King David, to Jesus Christ our Lord and His eternal Catholic Church.

      Islam has nothing to do with any of that Abrahamic religious lineage.

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    3. Your're missing the point, Truth doesn't matter. The official story, however ridiculous, endorsed by Pope Francis, is that Islam shares Abrahamic roots with Judaism and Christianity making them share the same God as sister religions. So bowing toward Mecca is no big deal to Pope Francis. Islam is just a different flavor of the same God. The truth is, Bergogloism doesn't care about truth. Caring about truth is a mark of fundamentalism. Truth is shrugged off until he brings Heaven to Earth in a program that is essentially Luciferian.

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    4. I appreciate that clarification. And the Official Story you refer to includes the Catechism which states in paragraph 841:

      "These (muslims) profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore they adore the one, merciful God ... "

      I guess what I am trying to do is supplement your point by emphasizing that to win this battle of ideas, we cannot grant the basic supposition. We can't just say that it is wrong to bow to Mecca. More fundamentally, islam is not a shared Abrahamc faith and has literally NOTHING in common with our Catholic faith. Not.One.Thing.

      When the Pope bows to Mecca, he might as well be chanting around a new age circle of rocks or a golden calf. He is invoking something powerful, but it is not our one tri-une God. The roots of islam are demons, perverted and violent. It's fruit has remained consistently evil throughout its history.

      We can't be satisfied at addressing the symptom, in other words (bowing to mecca). We must insist on first principles.

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    5. Agree with your points.
      I admit, I would love to know his motivation. He is a bit of a chameleon, saying this to soothe that one, saying that to chastise this one. Why does he do this, what is he ultimately after, what drives him.
      His actions and words are shocking, but if we're going to be relentlessly shocked, I'd at least like to know why.
      It does seem diabolical.

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  9. On all sides, and at every level, we are assaulted by that most dangerous weapon: Doubt. All of our civic and religious leaders work hard to instill doubt in their constituents. Doubt keeps us off balance and subject to their whims. Now, there is doubt as to the validity of Yahweh of the Bible vs. Allah of the Qu'ran. Quite convenient, and no danger of wandering into that rigid, dogmatic ground.

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    1. He is a leftist humanitarian, first, last and only, that, through odd circumstances, happens to find himself the head of a Church whose beliefs he simply doesn't think are very important. In fact, if you are certain of those beliefs, you become a fundamentalist. He is interested solely in meeting the material and emotion needs of people, well, and saving the planet. You don't want to know what he doesn't really believe. Good enough?

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