Saturday, February 6, 2016

Patriarch Kirill and the Magic Disappearing Watch

Pope Francis will be meeting Russian Patriarch Kirill in Cuba. There are some things about the Russian Orthodox Church that are interesting. Perhaps the most entertaining are the 2012 shenanigans  surrounding Patriarch Kirill's $30,000 Breguet watch.

The Patriarch appeared on his official website wearing the watch. Then it mysteriously disappeared in fine Stalinesque fashion. Patriarch Kirill insisted to a Russian journalist that he had never worn the watch, and the photo must have been doctored.

The only problem was that whoever photoshopped the watch away neglected to eliminate its reflection on the table. Whoops.

Note reflections of watch on table top in both pictures.

Pope Francis will no doubt know that the Patriarch of Moscow represents a Russian Orthodox Church that is wed to the Russian government and Vladimir Putin in a way scarcely imaginable to us in the West.


Russian Bishop blesses missile destined for Syrian rebels.

Russian clergy of all ranks can be found blessing AK-47s, machine guns, air-to-ground missiles and even ICBMs. They named a nuclear ballistic missile submarine after one of their saints: Alexander Nevsky. Not that Catholic countries have never done that; just not in a very long time. And not vessels designed to deliver nuclear warheads capable of wiping out entire cities.

Pope Francis will not so much be meeting a religious leader in Cuba, as an important, but subsidiary part of the Russian government.

20 comments:

  1. I'm confused by Russia these days, and can't figure out if she is good or evil.

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    1. Both. The final verdict of which prevails depends on Fatima.

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    2. Putin is on the right side in Syria, and Obama is on the wrong one. Of course, Russia needs Syria as a strategic ally since that's where their only Mediterranean port is. But both countries seem to be invested in a Cold War mentality, for whatever reason.

      I do not see Pope Francis, of all the popes, Consecrating Russia. He's a uniter, not a divider, don't you know.

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    3. ABS finds this gentleman an interesting read when it comes to Russia:

      http://thesaker.is

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    4. I don't know how much sense it makes, but if it publishes a piece by Roger Waters, I'm in.

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  2. Well of course I have to comment on this one, comrades!

    Hm, is there video of this? It's pretty easy to fake a picture and this reminds me of the faked photo of Lutz Bachmann with the Hitler stash that the media put out everywhere. Unfortunately once character assassination has been performed apologies don't really mean much. I would guess that the photo is fake and then the 'orthodox' church brushed it out, which was really stupid because they obviously aren't as good at deception as liberals, and leaving the reflection made it look like they did it all along.

    Or Kirill could be a bold faced liar, but I doubt it.

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    1. The New York Times story is pretty compelling. Patriarch Kirill admitted to owning the watch. He was first seen wearing it in 2009. The Russian Orthodox Church apologized and restored the original photo. This is all in the article. Modern Russian Patriarchs have been compromised, starting with Stalin granting concessions in return for the Orthodox Church being placed under Russian intelligence services. I do not think any of this would come as a surprise to most Russians.

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    2. The New York Times is often very, very wrong. Any concrete reference to an acknowledgement by Bachmann is nonexistent, even though they reported it as fact; I wouldn't be surprised if this is what's happening with Kirill. My point is that we can't know (and the New York Times is definitely run by the enemy (and yes I read the article)).

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/world/europe/german-activist-against-islamization-posed-as-hitler-for-facebook-photo.html

      Note that the link to the article about where he acknowledged it to Bild is kaputt.

      http://journalistenwatch.com/cms/saechsische-zeitung-pegida-chef-lutz-bachmann-posierte-nicht-als-hitler/

      They subtly back off in tone here -

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/world/europe/lutz-bachmann-pegida.html?_r=0

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    3. Friend, setting the watch aside for a moment, if you believe the Russian Orthodox Church is a little religious lamb without a long history of cooperating with Soviet, then Russian intelligence, that's fine. But there's even a name for the heresy -- Sergianism. It's a fact. I am surprised to hear anyone question it.

      And here's what the Russian Orthodox Church said, after removing the photoshopped picture and replacing it with the watch

      BY MSNBC.COM STAFF AND NEWS SERVICES

      The Russian Orthodox Church apologized on Thursday for doctoring a photograph of Patriarch Kirill to remove what bloggers said was a luxury wristwatch following accusations that he lives a lavish lifestyle.

      The church responded after bloggers said a 2009 photo of the Patriarch on its website showed the reflection of a Breguet watch worth about $30,000 in the polished surface of a table where his arms rested during talks.

      The Church made no reference to a watch in a statement, but said a "rude violation of our internal ethics" had been made and removed the doctored 2009 photo from its Website, replacing it on Thursday with a version showing a watch on his wrist.

      "Employees of the press service's photo-editing desk made a silly mistake while working with the photo archives," the statement said, promising they would be punished.

      End quote. So you're arguing against the Russian Orthodox Church if you say there was no watch, or if you say there was no photoshopping! If you wish to believe it was a mistake by low-level technicians, then you're free to do so.

      I used to be OCA, which was granted autocephaly by the Russian Church. I know for a fact it has been plagued by the same problems, and there was a major financial and sex scandal with the Metropolitan Herman that ended in his ouster.

      I suspect Russian priests may be receiving case from somewhere other than their pitiful salaries. (I used to be on the church council.) I say this because of frequent trips to Russia they and their families make, with tix at a grand each. But who knows?

      The Russian Orthodox Church will always have a warm place in my heart. I will never be a completely non-Russian Orthodox Bear. One of the reasons my foot is nailed to the floor in front of my favorite pew is because the Bear might bolt for the hot mess that is Orthodoxy.

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  3. If I were a religious leader and wanted something out of the One Holy Catholic Church this would be the time for the pickings. I can see Francis passing out mercy cards in regards to our doctrines with the clause as long as its done with your conscience and
    spiritual guidance. I can see him coming up with a synod report saying we must do this in this way so as to unite the brethen of years gone by and must not let this stand between us... or give in to their evil practices and errors but will not be practice by the roman rite... or some other god of surprises
    unifying religious groupy church where the true Church is just a part of the whole. I hope not, the gates of hell shall not prevail, even if a lamb should turn out to be a dragon, a surprise and yet prophesied for enlightenment and encouragement to hold strong. Francis can put an end to all these end times speculations(in his regards) by speaking like a Vicar of Christ. Instead, we keep whipping out revelation trying to explain this mystery. He's googling high for antichrist, lets see if his numbers fall or rise with his synod report.

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  4. Ah, yes, Alexander Nevsky!! Sang that work a few times with our hometown symphony, once at Carnegie.

    The movement entitled "Field of the Dead" is worth hearing in these times of the Church.

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    1. Great classic Eisenstein movie, too, although the Catholic knights are portrayed as crazy evil.

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  5. Bear, have you read The Barbarian's Bible?

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    2. I recommend it highly. It is not scholarly, by any means, and the writing style in parts is unfortunate, but I found it an interesting take on making sense of history and the near future. He also takes on the magic watch of Kirill.

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  6. How fitting that they should meet in communist Cuba. It tells us in no uncertain terms, where we are being taken. Straight to Michael Moore's paradise. Raul Castro was so impressed by this new version of a pope, he declared himself open to joining his church. We WILL all be united, like it or not. I, having grown up under a communist boot, can not think of this coming heaven as anything other than hell.

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  7. Dear Bear,

    You have forgotten about the USS Corpus Christi SSN-705, a fast attack Los Angeles class nuclear submarine. I was a reactor operator on her sister, the USS Jacksonville SSN-699. Berthing space was very limited, so junior enlisted got to sleep on foam mats in the torpedo room. I slept right next to a subroc thermonuclear missile launchable from the torpedo tubes. It was called a tactical nuclear weapon, but it had an impressive range and an even mmore impressive bang. We had more than one. ;-) The USS Corpus Christi was similarly equipped. So I have no issue with the Russians naming a submarine or surface combatant that is nuclear propelled and / or nuclear weapons ready after a Saint since we named one after Christ's own Body.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_City_of_Corpus_Christi_(SSN-705)

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    1. Yes, I kknow that ostenisbly the sub was named after the similarly named city in Texas, but nevertheless, the name is "Body of Christ."

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    2. All Los Angeles class subs are named after cities, as you know, none for Catholic religious feasts. Of course, the difference is Alexander Nevsky is actually named after the saint, who is a nationalistic hero of Russia.

      When you find a destroyer named Elizabeth Seton, I'l concede your point.

      But good to see a fellow Navy man aboard.

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