Monday, May 11, 2015

Sedevacantist Bear?

Novus Ordo Watch is a sedevacantist website. As you probably know, sedevacantists hold that the chair of Peter has no legitimate occupant, i.e. Pope Francis (and every pope after Pius XII) is a fraud. So when Novus Ordo Watch picked up the Bear's piece, The Church of Everyone -- But You, the Bear had to think a bit.

If you look at the Church post-Pius XII, you can't deny the sedevacantists have plenty of evidence to support, how shall we put it, not so much a sickness in the Church, nor even an injury, but brutal and sustained torture. Only "the tortured Church" captures the malice, cruelty, danger and grief we have experienced over the last fifty years.

The Church has changed. Better, the Church has been afflicted by a multitude of changes, vandalized by wrong-headed and malicious people. Under Pope Francis, the changes have come at a dizzying rate, and they are not for the better.

So why, then, is the Bear not a sedevacantist?

Simply put, the Bear believes we can have destructive popes, men who are, for all their folly and mischief, still pope. The Church can be tortured, yet survive. The gates of Hell will not prevail against it, but beyond that there are no guarantees. The Bear cannot bring himself to accept that God would allow the Catholic "brand" to be taken over by anti-popes for half a century with no end in sight. A billion-plus souls look to Rome and Peter. Looking to Peter, even with his flaws, if only as a marker of legitimacy and unity, is the Catholic thing to do.

The final reason the Bear is not a sedevacantist is that is just doesn't feel right. When looking at sedevacantist websites, the Bear has the same gut feeling as when he looks at 9-11 truther websites. Yes, the individual facts seem like they could be right, but the whole thing lacks balance. The evidence to the contrary is not considered. Ultimately, asking someone to believe everything they know is wrong is asking a lot.

Sedevacantism, for all its fevered sincerity and impressive collection of individual exhibits, is extinguished by the Bear's apostolate of holy stubbornness: nail your foot to the floor in front of your favorite pew and die there. You've got to throw in with someone, after all, and for it's current disfigurement, the Bear throws in with the Church of Rome and Peter.

14 comments:

  1. Good Bear, I'm always relieved to read any argument against sedevacantism. Thank you for that. It means I can keep reading your blog without fear of my eyes getting stuck in the up position from having rolled them Heavenward once too many times. But I wonder exactly what you mean when you refer to "9-11 truther websites". Would you give an example?

    So far I've found at least one to present some pretty reasonable arguments for the impossibility of the official story from Washington, although I admit my research has been quite superficial. I'm thinking of architects and engineers for 911 truth.

    I promise not to be a badger on this subject, and to keep my dog nature throughout any ensuing conversation. I wouldn't dare go badger on you during bear danger awareness month.

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    1. gee...I don't remember biting YOU in the butt.....

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    2. When is badger danger awareness month?

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    3. "When is badger danger awareness month?"

      every month, my friend....EVERY month.

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  2. I'm with you Bear. Those sites can look pretty good, but they give me a really bad feeling. I can't go there.
    I feel this Pope is not the kind of Catholic I am. But he is still Pope, for better or worse.

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  3. Sedevacantists fail to distinguish between the thing and the abuse of the thing. Much of the Church destruction was not mandated by Vatican II, although the looser language (imprudence) enabled more the abuse under that famous saying "the spirit of Vatican II." Plus the Freemason infiltration, as explained in the Alta Vendita. God is allowing this test of faith before Jesus returns, as the Bible says, the great apostasy.

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  4. For a humorous look at how persuasive-sounding conspiracy theories can sound, find Luke's Change on the internet. (I tried to post it, but couldn't find a suitable video.)

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    1. soooooo,,,,you're saying that Bill and Hillary are Leia and Luke???...and Chelsea isss aaaaa....wookie (?); droid (?); Web Hubble's daughter (???)...oooohhh that last one makes so much sense....space!...Hubble Telescope; hello!?!?

      I seeeee the connections.....

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  5. I think being a criminal defense lawyer helps me on conspiracies. My job is to present the moist plausible alternative explanation for the evidence without so much as bending the truth, or at least to cast doubt on the State's case.I believe I have a gut instinct for similar tactics. And often there is evidence that just defies explanation. I once did a case where the victims' bodies were burned (this time I was the Prosecutor.) We accounted for all the teeth -- and had an unrelated human tooth left over! It didn't effect the case, but it goes to show that you can have a genuine mystery and still be able to know the truth.

    "Luke's Change" is on You Tube. The first hit ought to be good. (Blogger's editor is awful the way it handles inserting videos. You have to search from within it, and the search engine doesn't deliver good hits sometimes.)

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    1. The bigger problem today is not conspiracy theorists, but rather ostrich theorists. With the Antichrist just around the corner, and the false prophet sitting in Rome now, there is plenty of deception going on in the background, all trumpeted by a controlled media. Even Jesus said to watch for the signs, but that is also why He said that He will come like a thief in the night, when the vast majority of people are sleeping. Yes, the vast majority of the world is sleeping with its eyes opened, hence the ostrich theorists. I don't recall Jesus picking any lawyers of His time for apostles or disciples. That merely human way of thinking doesn't help with faith. God sends prophets and prophecies. Luke's Change was cute, but of course all based on fiction anyway.

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  6. The Sedevacantists are very right... and simultaneously very wrong. The reason is that Catholics on both sides of the divide must argue from a false premise. See this recently published book "THE SEDEVACANTIST DELUSION: WHY VATICAN II'S CLASH WITH SEDEVACANTISM SUPPORTS EASTERN ORTHODOXY" for a detailed explanation of the reason for Vatican II and the existence of the Sedevacantist movement.

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  7. The Bear cannot bring himself to accept that God would allow the Catholic "brand" to be taken over by anti-popes for half a century with no end in sight. A billion-plus souls look to Rome and Peter. Looking to Peter, even with his flaws, if only as a marker of legitimacy and unity, is the Catholic thing to do.
    Pope is a marker of unity, no, He is the source of unity of faith. The destruction is a a result of the loss of unity. The break the loss is heresy. If you cannot see the plentitude of heresy in the Vat2 church, then you cannot see true teaching, the opposite of heresy. Vat2 church is not the catholic church. The church is the baptized who accept all the teachings of legitimate authority, not the appostate pope. Note even hundreds of theologians point out and recognise the heresies in amoris laetitia which implicated Vat2 and the canonizer of the fake pope st jp2. Again it is simple, if a pope is a public heretic he is not pope nor source of unity. Period.

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    1. What objections do you have to Francis being given a fair trial and the chance to repent?

      As you must know, the duty to admonish sinners isn't limited by rank. A child can admonish its parent, etc.

      If Francis proves himself a pertinacious heretic - which can ONLY BE DECIDED AFTER A PUBLIC TRIAL - then he can be avoided, as we must avoid all such types. And therefore he can't be Pope.

      See Robert Siscoe's article in CFN from 2 years ago "Robert Siscoe and John of St. Thomas reply to Fr. Cekada".

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