Wednesday, February 17, 2016

Was Scalia Killed? Nope.

If anyone has any evidence that Justice Scalia was murdered, they should first call Presidio County, Texas Sheriff Danny C. Dominguez at (432) 729-4308, then post here.

1. Judge Cinderela Guevara declared Scalia dead without seeing him.

Yes, she did. She says she was starting for the ranch when she was turned away by a U.S. Marshall on the phone. Texas, like some other jurisdictions, allows officials to declare death without viewing the body. In this case Judge Guevara relied on her Sheriff, Danny C. Dominguez, who was at the scene, to help her make that call. It is very likely that Sheriff Dominguez could recognize a dead person, and not at all likely that Judge Guevara was more competent to do so. (Although it just isn't hard once some time has passed.)

2. Judge Cinderela Guevara did not order an autopsy.

No, she did not. Again, she relied on her Sheriff at the scene, who told her it did not look like foul play, but like natural causes. (Sheriff Dominguez has been Sheriff in Presidio County for 23 years, by the way.) Having been informed there was no homicide, she did not order the incredibly destructive procedure of an autopsy. Why would she? Because, contrary to the opinion of her trusted Sheriff, her Spidey senses were tingling?

A crime scene looks like a crime scene. Could an expert assassin kill someone without making it look like a crime scene? The Bear suspects so. But the fact that it does not look like a crime scene is not evidence of murder, except in the most twisted logic.

Furthermore, Judge Guevara says she spoke with Scalia's personal physician, who told her that the Justice suffered from more than one chronic condition, including heart disease, and was considered "too weak for surgery" for his torn rotator cuff. Someone who is too weak for surgery is not a healthy person.

Others say Scalia was fine on a trip, and was fine that night. That might discount some conditions, like ALS or CHF or COPD. It would not discount most. An example would be a heart attack, or stroke. A large plaque breaks loose and blocks a coronary artery, and you have come to your earthly end. The Bear is not impressed with these objections. At all.

Finally, if Obama's super secret team of assassins, or Masonic ninjas are really behind Scalia's death, do you really think they're going to use something that can be detected in any autopsy? The question is thus moot.

3. There was a pillow over Scalia's face.

Did it look like a pillow that had been used to smother Justice Scalia? Was it on his face, or on his head, which is an entirely different matter? Why rearrange everything to eliminate all signs of struggle, then leave the pillow on the victim's face? Why leave the pillow on the victim's face at all, unless you wanted to advertise the fact that Scalia had been murdered? What about that pillow led Sheriff Dominguez to believe he was not looking at a murder scene? He was there; Bear was not.

If somebody bagged and tagged that pillow, forensic scientists could search for evidence of secretions from mouth and / or nose. That's one reason it's a bad choice as a murder weapon.

A pillow is an iffy choice for an elite assassin. It can leave characteristic paleness around the nose and mouth due to pressure, as well as cyanosis of the face. There might be other indicia of asphyxia. A pillow equals amateur hour. If the global elite wanted Scalia gone, the Bear promises you they would not send some goober with a pillow.

This is not to say you can always detect homicide by smothering with a pillow. It is to say that an assassin can't count on getting lucky and leaving behind no evidence of homicide. Remember, an assassin would have no way of knowing there would be no autopsy, unless Judge Guevara and / or Sheriff Dominguez was in on it. The Bear is not going there.

4. This benefits Obama because now he can tilt the court to the left with one appointment.

This is true. It is also not evidence. You look for motive once you have a crime to solve. You don't look for motive, then jump to the conclusion that a death is homicide because someone benefits. Presumably, the people who believe Scalia was assassinated believe President Obama is behind it. Who would the President send to assassinate a Supreme Court Justice? CIA? DOJ? IMF? Bo? Do we really believe a president would give such an order and someone would follow it? Even if that's an easy "yes" for you, there is still the problem of no evidence whatsoever of a crime.

Coincidence: King Umberto I of Italy, Meet Umberto the Pasta Restaurant Owner

On July 28, 1900, Italian King Umberto I had dinner in a restaurant. The owner's name was also Umberto, and the owner's wife had the same name as the Queen. An anarchist shot King Umberto the next day. The restaurant owner was also shot that same day. Probably as he was telling someone the story of King Umberto eating at his ristorante. Now, that's a coincidence.

Archduke Franz Ferdinand Coincidenced to Death and Starts WWI

Everybody knows Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie were assassinated in Sarajevo, on June 28, 1914. What few know is that the gunman was just one of a series of assassins. The first assassin had a bomb, but failed to act. The next assassin had both a pistol and a bomb. He also failed to act. Further down the Archduke's route, another assassin had a bomb. He threw it, but it bounced off the folded down top of the Archduke's car and rolled under the following car and exploded.

What was left of the motorcade sped by at high speed, and three more assassins failed to act. One of them Gavrilo Princip, decided to wait in a deli for another opportunity. The Archduke went on to make a speech. Unfortunately for Princip, and fortunately for the world, which would be spared WWI, a new route was devised, and the Archduke would come nowhere near the deli where Princip waited with his pistol.

But WWI seemed destined. The driver of the Archduke's car did not get word of the change of route. Once they realized they were on the wrong street, the cars stopped right in front of the deli to turn around. The Archduke was a sitting duck. Princip merely stepped forward, and shot the Archduke through the jugular vein, and his wife in the stomach. Both died.

Scalia's Death: Not Even Close

Examples could be multiplied. The point is that history is full of coincidences, and they can be quite fascinating to read about. As far as Justice Scalia's death, however, the fact that a 79-year-old Supreme Court Justice happens to die when a lame duck president still has nearly a year in office doesn't even come near to making the list. It's not even a coincidence, so you can't say, "Isn't it coincidental that..." There's nothing suspicious that we know now, so you can't say, "Don't you find it suspicious that..."

When the Bear reads that 79% of Americans believe Scalia was assassinated, he just has to shake his head. Once again, it's that criminal lawyer that is looking for a little thing called evidence.

Of course, the Bear's opinion won't mean anything to people determined find find a conspiracy. It's kind of like a delusion that sane people have. Or "pure applesauce," as Justice Scalia once wrote.

80 comments:

  1. Gee, thanks for clearing that up. Fact is, you do not know what happened.

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    1. Actually, I do. It's all in the article. An experienced LEO made a call that there was no evidence of foul play, and a judge acted on his assessment by declaring death and not ordering an autopsy. The judge followed up with a conversation with Scalia's physician, who painted a dismal picture of the man's health.

      That's what I know.

      Now the question is, what do YOU know that I don't? And I will admit to some familiarity with homicide investigations. I'll be waiting for you to tell me what evidence you have that contradicts my account. Who is your prime suspect?

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    2. Your conclusion that there was no foul play is based upon the assumption that all the involved players were on the up and up. It is state law to have an autopsy when an unexpected death occurs, especially when the deceased is of great importance. An autopsy would have cleared up all the questions that are now being asked, considering the political position of Justice Scalia at present. It is not about 'evidence being presented to counteract your assumption. It is rather that you assume you know based on your belief in the integrity of all parties involved. Don't assume you know from the data you have.

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    3. Why, yes. Unless someone can show me otherwise, I am accepting that Sheriff Dominguez and Judge Guevara were acting on the up-and-up. Why on Earth would I assume otherwise without evidence, the key term in this conversation.

      I am not familiar with that Texas statute, but I would be surprised if the word "unexpected" were used.

      And come on. You know as well as I do that the elite assassins that are employed in this kind of work are not going to leave a dirty fingerprint behind. An autopsy would show exactly what they wanted it to show, no more no less. So you can stop worrying about that.

      And, as a matter of fact it IS about YOU presenting SOME evidence to support your outrageous claim. Otherwise, you are just making stuff up. And that is calumny if you are directing it toward the Judge and the Sheriff of Presidio County, Texas. It is YOUR burden of going forward with some evidence to counteract the assumption that, no, the public officials of Presidio County, Texas did not conspire with persons unknown to assassinate a United States Supreme Court Justice.

      Justice Scalia would agree with me, and call your conspiracy theory "pure applesauce."

      I'm just curious, since you seem to have so many ideas about this. Who do you think gave the order for Justice Scalia's assassination?

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    4. Your sarcasm indicates I am hitting a nerve by not agreeing with your self satisfied assessment that there is nothing amiss in what happened to Justice Scalia. I am not saying there was foul play. I am saying one cannot assume that there was not since there was no autopsy and his body was quickly cremated. Your naïve trust in those involved has cleared nothing up, at least for me. It is really nice that you trust all the players, it is just not convincing that there was no foul play. Sorry my disagreeing with you causes you upset.

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    5. Well, I am a Bear. So I might growl sometimes.

      I can assure you that whether anyone agrees with me or not about Justice Scalia's death does not personally bother me. My -- and it should be our -- trust in the integrity of public officials is part of civilization, although we are often disappointed in individuals. And it is infinitely more likely that the Judge and Sheriff were just doing their duties as best they could like most of us, and not wrapped up in a conspiracy to assassinate Justice Scalia.

      I have been involved as counsel in dozens of homicides, and feel I have a decent comprehension of how everyone operated. It is hardly naive.

      You certainly have a right to your opinion. I suspect that if there was an autopsy done, you would have questioned that too. JFK had an autopsy done, and that did precious little to quench conspiracy theories.

      Could Justice Scalia have been assassinated? Of course. Could I have done it, as a disgruntled defense counsel enraged at his outspoken support for the death penalty. You bet. Bears are powerful and surprisingly stealthy. Anything is possible. At the end of the day, you pays yer money and yer takes yer chances. But some chances are more informed than others. So that's why I say Justice Scalia was not assassinated, and will go on saying it until someone gives me evidence to the contrary.

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    6. I did not notice untoward sarcasm, by the way. I am quite serious that assassins that would be employed by POTUS are not going to be the kind that will leave anything useful behind for an autopsy to discover. So rest assured that if you suspect POTUS, or some other high-level conspirators, your complaints about the autopsy and cremation are misplaced. It would not have made any difference.

      JFK had an autopsy. How many conspiracy theories has his death spawned?

      On the other hand, if you believe it was one of the ranch party guests who had some personal grudge against Scalia, then... well, that doesn't fit the lack of an apparent crime scene, since an amateur would not have pulled that off with Sheriff Dominguez noticing something odd.

      If I fault the local officials for anything, it is not exercising CYA when you've got a dead Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

      We know a U.S. Marshall got the Judge turned around when she was on her way to the death scene. We don't know how much interference or influence was applied to Sheriff Dominguez by federal agents. (I'm not even sure they were on scene.) Federal agents can be... Type A personalities who don't take "no" for an answer. If I really believed there was a conspiracy, I would want to know to know what feds were on the premises and what their role was in the investigation. It is easy to imagine that a rural sheriff could be overwhelmed by federal agents in a case like this.

      If this were a federal hit, you can bet the federal agents on the scene were not there by accident.

      But it wasn't, because of the reasons I outlined.

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    7. Your naïve trust in public officials at a time when corruption in government is at an all time high is actually very sad to me. Are you telling me that you think JFK was killed by a lone gunman? There is much evidence to the contrary. Perhaps you missed it. Your article was written as if you have the definitive last word on the subject of the circumstances of Justice Scalia's death. Your unflinching conviction that everyone is telling the complete truth concerning them is an assumption I do not share, nor do many others. If you want to denigrate that by calling those who do not hold your assumption 'conspiracy theorists' go ahead. Condescension seems inherent in you.

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    8. ummm... aren't people who prefer to believe elaborate fictions, about assassinations, the moon landings, Pope John Paul I's death, etc. called conspiracy theorists? What else do you call them?

      It seems as if you prefer to keep calling the Bear names rather than deal with any of his substantive issues. Come back when you have some evidence. I suspect your barking up the wrong tree on Judge Guevara and Sheriff Dominguez, though. They don't really seem to be the type for a POTUS - level assassination conspiracy. So is your default mode really to distrust all government officials, even local ones? To think nothing of insinuating that they are involved in murder conspiracies.

      I don't know what to say about that.

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    9. P.S. could you explain how someone who spent his career in criminal law could be "naive" about anything?

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    10. Barbara Jensen...you appear to be really angry about something, but it doesn't seem warranted from what Bear is saying. You are entitled to your opinion, as is Bear.
      What is really sad is how many Americans feel Justice Scalia may have been a victim of foul play. It certainly indicates something really ugly about our current government.

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    11. Bear, I second the motion that Barbara wouldn't trust the autopsy either. Why trust the coroner when the sheriff and judge are in on it?

      What is so laughable about Barbara is she is too illiterate to read the news properly. She asserts "his body was quickly cremated." His body was not and has not been cremated. Barbara can't even get basic facts straight; don't count on her to handle logic and reason.

      I was about to lay out a faux conspiracy theory naming Scalia responsible for faking his death in collusion with aliens, but am afraid Barbara might believe it and spread it around. After all, why trust a public official like Scalia? They're all in it together to stick it to Barbara. Not anyone else, just Barbara.

      BTW, Bear, it's not 79% of Americans that believe foul play. It's 79% of Conservative Outfitters customers that think that. You know, the place where you can still buy Reagan & Bush '84 t-shirts. I'd say the sampling on the poll is a bit skewed. On the other hand, it might be note-worthy that there isn't enough "evidence" to even convince a whole 21% of *their* customers.

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    12. There's no convincing people who just know something is true. I think I'm about done here unless somebody comes up with something new. I identified the four pieces of "evidence" people have been citing and brought some reality to them. Like anything else on this ephemeris, the reader is free to take it or leave it. I do this for fun. I like to read comments, but they don't make my activities less fun.

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    13. I didn't say 'I know' something is true. I must say Utubeo is quite proficient at mocking. I would point out to him that I first read that Scalia was 'embalmed' immediately, and then I read on main stream news that he was cremated. It is not that I am illiterate, Utubeo, it is that I trusted what the news report said. Perhaps you think it laughable that the news media cannot be trusted either. Yes, Kathleen, our current government is really ugly, but some of us do not want to face it.

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    14. If the Bear may say this to a lady, when one opens a conversation by saying, and the Bear quotes, "Gee, thanks for clearing that up. Fact is, you do not know what happened," the Bear asserts that such a lady is estopped from complaining about sarcasm or mocking. Fair enough? You can start with a broadside of rank sarcasm, then accuse the Bear of sarcasm and much more besides? That's okay. Have you ever seen an Estonian bear baiting? The Bear is undefeated in bear baiting on three continents, which can only be miraculous, because eventually the dogs wear the Bear down. So indulge yourself on your opinion of the Bear and rank speculation about President Obama's assassination of Justice Scalia. Bear reckons he'll survive anything conspiracy theorists can throw at him. And live with it: that's what people like you are called. Bear doesn't mean it pejoratively. It's just what people who say President Obama conspired with local officials in Texas to send his crack team of assassins to smother a Supreme Court Justice with a pillow.

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  2. Other suspects: one or all of the liberal wing of the U.S. Supreme Court. Homosexuals. Al Gore (remember Bush v. Gore?) Scalia has made a lot of enemies during his long tenure on the hight court.

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    1. Pssst ... labor unions, too. California's public labor unions were all aflutter when Freidrichs v. Calif. Teachers Association went to the Court. Scalia's remarks at the oral arguments did not bode well for them.

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  3. I think it was the assassins in Michael Clayton.

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    1. That is one of my favorite movies. I love the speech George Clooney gives near the beginning about how he's not a miracle worker.

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    2. Yes. "I'm a janitor." An underrated film really.

      Also love the scene where the star litigator has his nervous breakdown saying "I am Shiva the god of death!" Clooney dryly looks at him and says "let's get out of Milwaukee we'll talk about it."

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    3. I agree. Once again, Clooney proves he's a real actor, not just a handsome man. The end, where Tilda Swinton slowly comes apart, and the final climax is brilliant. Even the extended scene of Clooney just riding in the back of the cab is unexpectedly great.

      I loved the touch of fantasy.

      I have so often threatened to play that "janitor" clip to every new client. The Bear did have a certain reputation in one or two of the more disreputable types of crimes, and clients frequently had inflated expectations.

      The reality is, if you're in federal court, there's not much I can do for you except check my math on your sentencing worksheet. (Okay, maybe a little better in some cases). In state court, you're still probably going to prison, but just maybe, if the planets are aligned, the judge likes my bow tie, and my meds are properly adjusted, we can eke out probation for an older gentleman with boundary issues.

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  4. "But the fact that it does not look like a crime scene is not evidence of murder, except in the most twisted logic."

    hehehe

    Drawing conclusions based on a lack of evidence reminds of one of the best laughs I've had watching television.

    My husband and I decided not to have cable or satellite, etc., several years ago. As a result, we watch television only while staying in hotels during vacations, or while visiting family. On one of those occasions, I became aware of a show called "Finding Bigfoot," and it's become a guilty pleasure for me. I enjoy watching the lengths the "experts" go to in trying to declare they've got proof that Sasquatch exists. One of my favorite episodes featured a man who described being inside his tent while a creature moved around the outside. He said he didn't know if it was Bigfoot because he never looked outside the tent and therefore didn't see the creature. One of the "experts" (the lawyer, of all people) said: "Not seeing Bigfoot is actually proof that he was there, because in most sightings (note the word), people don't see him."

    I don't remember the rest of the episode; I was laughing too hard. :D

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    1. LOL. Maybe it was Bear!

      We live on Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu. The Bear is a cinephile, and enjoys dramas like Ripper Street, Peaky Blinders, NCIS (natch) and good movies. Last night we watched Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation and were vastly entertained. Yes, I suppose we could have been down in the basement flagellating ourselves, but we're not Orthodox, after all.

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    2. What's the expression doctors use? "When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, not zebras"?

      I think many of those sightings are bears being bear-like.

      I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but we have a dumb TV -- a CRT. The only thing we play on it are DVDs, and mostly from the library. I got a new laptop a few weeks ago, so we might try hooking it up to the old dinosaur and see what happens.

      We go through stages -- old TV shows, documentaries about historical events, classic movies. The last few times we've sat at the TV, it's been to watch British mysteries.

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  5. The pillow over the head does raise my eyebrows I must admit. How many of us go to sleep with a pillow over our heads. At the same time, I realize murder by pillow would have left signs. Just odd.

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    1. We're not sure what a pillow "over his head" means. In any case, I've covered the pillow. Anyone is, of course, free to totally disregard my opinion. As always, if anyone wishes to contribute ay evidence, I will be happy to revise my opinions accordingly. Here we are seeing the clash between a legal professional who values evidence and people who form opinions based on hunches. Not that that makes me any better than anyone else. It's just a difference in perspective that will never be overcome in this matter.

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  6. For me, the significant fact is that such a large number of people believe Justice Scalia may have been murdered. That isn't evidence of a crime, but it sure is evidence of the deep distrust of our government that has spread throughout all of our society. Could we have imagined those sentiments in the general population just ten years ago?

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    1. We prefer names to "Unknowns." It's fine if you identify yourself in some way.

      I would love to know the profile of the Catholic who believes Justice Scalia was assassinated. Would it be more Novus Ordo (i.e. regular old Roman Catholic like the Bear) or tend more toward traditionalists?

      Let's face it. Television shows set up expectations of conspiracies and intrepid crime scene investigators. Heck, Justice Scalia even held up 24's Jack Bauer as an example. I think that is one factor. Prosecutors are paranoid about CSI because they fear it raises unrealistic expectations. That's their opinion, anyway, of how television impacts the criminal justice system.

      Our federal government has not earned our trust. Bear was in Gulf War I, his son was in Afghanistan, Gulf War II was a huge mistake, and nearly all the GOP candidates can't wait to repeat it. Benghazi was just criminal. But I think it goes back longer than 10 years, to Clinton. Bill, that is.

      The 78% poll I've found looks like an unscientific online poll. If there are legitimate polls, I've not seen them. So do we really know if a large majority believe in the conspiracy theory?

      Alex Jones at Infowars, WND, are screaming conspiracy theories. The best one is that Obama sacrificed Scalia for the pagan holy day of Lupercalia.

      Too bad we just can't mourn and honor a great man without distracting everyone with conspiracy theories that don't have a scintilla of evidence. Every time I ask that someone bring forth some evidence, anything, the question is dodged, or I get called a name. The scariest thing to me is that many of these people who have convinced themselves without evidence that Obama (probably with Hillary's help) have had a United States Supreme Court Justice killed may be sitting on a jury someday. Yikes!

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  7. The initial report said "he was found with a pillow over his head". Not above, not under, not next to, over his head. A traditional Catholic gets cremated in short order. An autopsy is destructive? try cremation. No body no evidence. The judge is on the way to the scene of the death of one of the most famous and influential judges in America, who just happened to die in her district, and she turns around because of a report of natural cause? I believe every public building in the US is flying the flag at half staff and she blows off the event? Couldn't be bothered or wanted no part of it? The pillow is evidence, check it for DNA. Was it a plutonium bead encased in wax that was injected using an spring loaded umbrella? Probably not. A soft pillow placed on the face of an elderly man who snored and maybe had a roofy put in his martini? Very easy, very clean, totally doable. Mr. Bear if the judge were 49 would you then think it such a silly conspiracy theory? Are you considering his age as evidence that it was natural cause? At what age should natural causes be considered sufficient to conclusively determine cause of death? In my experience law enforcement can declare death, but a medical examiner always determines cause. I believe the bear may watch too much television and has lost sight of the modern world that blurs reality. A pillow and a goober would make for poor cinema, it would be great to hide a murder of an important elderly gentleman in the wide open - in order to have any speculation dismissed as ridiculous.

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    1. Now we're going over territory that has already been addressed. I've given the problems with the pillow. You are free to dismiss them, of course.

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    2. P.S., I am not sure what perceptions of the Bear have supposedly shaped by television. His perceptions have been created by 30 years in criminal law. Well that and NCIS. And smothering can make great cinema, even if unsuccessful. Godfather II, Michael Corleone's bodyguard Busetta almost smothers Hyman Roth in the hospital in Cuba, but is shot.

      Do you see you are making up facts? Who has said anything about a roofie? Whoever did it would not know there would be no autospy, so he would be guaranteeing everyone would know it was murder, something POTUS probably did not want.

      If y'all just want to sit around and make up stuff, then the Bear has no doubt you will be able to convince yourself of anything. The Bear will wait for evidence, which he feels is the responsible thing to do.

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    3. Can we PLEASE put it to rest that he was cremated?
      http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/scalia-could-lie-repose-supreme-court-building-friday-n519506

      You're all going to be pretty embarrassed when the cameras roll on that.

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    4. PS I always sleep with a pillow over my head (ears). The beloved fellow who has been sleeping next to me for 40 years snores like a bear in hibernation (sorry Bear).

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    5. utubeo, that's interesting, since every other source says he has been cremated, and it has become part of the lore. Perhaps a wax replica of Scalia will actually lie in state.

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    6. Bear sleeps with pillow over head if there is light from mate reading or morning.

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    7. I guess i'd rather sit around and make stuff up than sit around and watch stuff other people make up. The fact is that Obama will likely appoint the next supreme court justice. The one who just died to make the vacancy died unexpectedly at some remote ranch resort after an uneventful night with friends. "He was old" is not a cause of death. There is no evidence. Its all speculation, and the circumstances seem a bit odd. He was a public figure whose role was extremely important to the third branch of our gov't. Getting away with his murder i believe would be quite easy. Is it a conspiracy to believe an ethic that believes abortion is a virtue would have little trouble with murder for political expediency? "I doubt it" seems a more reasonable conclusion than - nope.

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    8. I guess i'd rather sit around and make stuff up than sit around and watch stuff other people make up. The fact is that Obama will likely appoint the next supreme court justice. The one who just died to make the vacancy died unexpectedly at some remote ranch resort after an uneventful night with friends. "He was old" is not a cause of death. There is no evidence. Its all speculation, and the circumstances seem a bit odd. He was a public figure whose role was extremely important to the third branch of our gov't. Getting away with his murder i believe would be quite easy. Is it a conspiracy to believe an ethic that believes abortion is a virtue would have little trouble with murder for political expediency? "I doubt it" seems a more reasonable conclusion than - nope.

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    9. So you're actually saying President Obama put out a hit on U.S. Supreme Court Justice Scalia so he could appoint another liberal Justice. Now, S, explain to me why anyone should take anything you say seriously.

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    10. You are a bear. Now suddenly we are taking things seriously? No autopsy, no investigation and the bear enjoys the sweet honey of a simple stroke of luck for the Obama administration. If scalia were a vibrant 49 year old and died the exact same way, what then? You are displaying an agism bias. Like it or not without an inquiry your conclusion is simply more palatable. And dont tell about the TMZ news reports on the death. Thats evidence?

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    11. Where are you getting TMZ?

      So, once again, why don't just just say President Obama had Justice Scalia killed, instead of beating around the bush. Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Come on. Say it.

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    12. Your point on an autopsy is well taken. Do supreme court justices enjoy secret service protection? Why? Would an elder statesman in prudence have a personal care assistant? How about a simple cardiac monitor which are quite small and descrete, given his implied "ripeness". Given how this is unfolding politicaly there is no story? He just woke up dead? Did the justice have a history of vacationing alone with the boys during lent? Historically, The USA has lost a few standing presidents by assasination and the posibility of foul play is dismissed as an absurd and delusional proposition? Is it more delusional to believe that all skullduggery is make believe or that yes, men conspire to do evil? May the Justice rest in peace.

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    13. Come on bear. Courage? There is a script and the main stream media goes by it. TMZ, CNN, AP it matters little. You dont know and i dont know but if it will satisfy you hunger. Obama had Scalia killed. See? Really easy. In the modern world truth is what you say it is. Of course you should know this because you are a bear right? Obama said his first move as president at his fist term was that he would lift the mexico city agreement that banned the US from extorting countries into pro-abortion policies linked to US aid. He did just that. The bears graffic description of desecration of the human body in the spirit of science in an autopsy is dramatic, but really Mr. Bear how many dead babies fit in a 40 yard dumpster? I suspect Justice Scalia was the type of man who understood the gravity of his words and actions guided by his Faith. He will be missed.

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    14. P.S. as you have frequently observe, yes, I am a Bear.

      But what is informing my opinion here is 30 years as a prosecutor or defense lawyer in the field criminal law, both state and federal, to include many death penalty cases.

      And a little Bear sense.

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    15. Bias bumps you out of the jury pool. Hey how about that pregant diabetic found dead in Rome? Nothing there right? Already calling for DNA of the baby.

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  8. This is going to go on forever if an autopsy is not done. I have no idea if he is already cremated. If he is, a moot point, but I do believe he should have had an autopsy if only to end the speculation.

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    1. I can tell you this. An autopsy has never been performed on a member of my family. Having seen many autopsies, I would not want one for my wife, or my children. I'm not sure that "ending speculation" would have been achieved by an autopsy, nor am I sure it, by itself, is a valid reason to conduct an autopsy.

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    2. Barbara, didn't you mock the Bear for his (assumed) belief in a lone gunman in the JFK assassination? So I suppose that means you don't trust the autopsy, to include the forensics, in that case? Please explain why you would trust an autopsy in the case under discussion, yet not trust the JFK autopsy?

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  9. As far as I know, standard protocol by LEO is to assume a homocide until the facts dictate otherwise. In addition, I am curious that this Traditionalist supposedly requested cremation in his will and was thus and so cremated. Odd, but certainly no smoking gun.

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    1. That is incorrect, and would lead to an epic waste of resources. Police determine if they've got a homicide or not. The Sheriff made the call, and neither of us were there. The only homicide cases the Bear ever saw where the very question of homicide was present were small children in so-called "Shaken Baby Syndrome" cases.

      Again, if we're assuming POTUS sent his best assassins, do we really believe we're going to find anything by an autopsy?

      DId he ask to be cremated in his will? I don't know that for sure. Are we going to be saying his will was forged, now? The Church allows cremation, of course, as long as it is not done to make an improper point.

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    2. Reason I said what I said is because several LEO's have made that point.

      I am not at all suggesting I think Scalia was murdered. I am saying the description of his death is somewhat odd, and in light of who he was, the way it was handled was even odder.

      Your statements thruout this thread have been interesting. You deny the experience of others and rely on your own profession as if it gives you the detailed knowledge of THIS incident to determine without doubt that the situation was merely the death of an old man.

      As far as POTUS assasinating Scalia, that is, yet again, a strawman argument YOU put up. I personally don't have any idea or inclination to suggest it was POTUS. I am merely saying that the circumstances of Scalia's death would warrant the most certain of determinations. For your argument, you assume POTUS is the murderer, likely by conspiracy. Well whoknows? Even assuming he was, does that preclue mistakes being made in the execution of it? And what if he wasn't? Let's pretend Scalia was murdered by an individual who simply wanted him gone for personal reasons, possibly even getting rid of him so POTUS could replace him with a liberal? In that case POTUS would have absolutely nothing to do with it.

      Again, I am not actually arguing in favor of the idea that Scalia was murdered. What I am saying is that the circumstances do not exactly line up and LEO's who have direct experience with this sort of thing have come out to state that it doesn't line up for them, either. What the truth is, who knows, but burning up the body without even doing a toxicology screening if that is what happened, is odd. Very odd. So is a Traditionalist who chooses to be cremated. Also odd. That's all.

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    3. Yes, I do rely on my experience, which in this particular field is greater than most people's. Is there a reason i should not?

      No, I do not deny the existence of others. What I deny is the opinion of others when they are ill-informed, or lack a scintilla of evidence to support their speculations. The opinion of others is absolutely worthless if they cannot cite any evidence to support it. What I saw was four things that were called "suspicious," and used as a reason to assume Justice Scalia was assassinated. I merely applied my experience, but mostly just logic and facts, to demonstrate the four most -cited facts were not, in fact, sinister at all.

      You are the only one here to explicitly deny POTUS had a hand in Scalia's death. That is sensible of you. Others have not denied it when I have raised it. Beyond the friendly confines of this comments section, much of the speculation revolves around POTUS. Everywhere argument goes, "Isn't it coincidental that this allows Obama to replace Scalia with a liberal." If SCOTUS were 8 conservatives to 1 liberal, we both know that there would be very little speculation about Scalia's death.

      Hey, second-guessing Sheriff Dominguez is the easiest thing in the world. He was at the scene and had to make a call. None of us knows everything he saw that led to his call. That includes cops who are opining on this or that.

      I'll just end beating the same drum I've been beating from the beginning. Give me just one piece of evidence to overturn my assumption that Sheriff Dominguez and Judge Guevara didn't do their jobs properly.

      Remember the outrage that Judge Guevara declared death without even viewing the body? Oh, that's so suspicious, don't you think? That was one of the big pieces in the conspiracy argument. Well, now we know the law allows it, Sheriff Dominguez made his call, and a U.S. Marshall turned Judge Guevara back.

      Would an autopsy have satisfied the conspiracy theorist? Don't you think they would have been able to find flaws with it? Has an autopsy quashed speculation about JFK, Marylin Monroe, Kurt Cobain?

      Did Scalia's will indicate his wish to be cremated? Yes or no?

      You are entitled to your opinion that one or more thing may seem odd to you. This opus is not directed toward you. If you have read the other comments or ventured into more conservative environs of the internet, people are flat out saying Scalia was assassinated, probably by the President so he can leave with a liberal court. Heck, maybe even appoint himself. For those kinds of assertions, you need evidence. Maybe I'm just funny that way.

      And, of course, Scalia may have been assassinated. But based on the facts that are pubic, I have to say nope. And there is nothing wrong with you wondering about this or that. But you are not drawing conclusions of fact. For that we require evidence.

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  10. As far as I know, standard protocol by LEO is to assume a homocide until the facts dictate otherwise. In addition, I am curious that this Traditionalist supposedly requested cremation in his will and was thus and so cremated. Odd, but certainly no smoking gun.

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  11. Because our country is so polarised, and because many hated Justice Scalia, and because our president is Satan's lapdog and because Satan is very clever and conniving, I would have gotten an autopsy and put this matter to rest.

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    1. But, SP, one decision leads inexorably to the next, and so on. If whoever is calling the shots with law enforcement on the scene calls it non-homicidal death, then you don't to an autopsy. Of course, the family could have requested one, I suppose, but I suspect that didn't happen. I know it sounds sensible to "do an autopsy anyway, just to make sure," but that isn't the way it works.

      And there is a difference between cremation and an autopsy when it comes to respect for the body.

      First the body is placed on "the slab" which usually has some kind of drain. The body is photographed nude, in detail, and examined with a fine tooth comb.

      Among other procedures, the face is peeled down like a rubber mask, around the neck. The skull is sawed open and the brain removed, examined and weighed. The eyes may be punctured and a fluid sample taken. Every nook, cranny, organ and appendage, inside and out, is examined, measured, weighed and photographed. The contents of the bladder are removed and measured. For women a complete surgical gynecological examination is conducted. The vagina, uterus, fallopian tubes and ovaries are photographed and examined for any defects.

      Blood and possibly other bodily fluids will be removed for a tox screen.

      A Y-shaped incision is made to open up the torso. The heart's valves, chambers, and examined, and the arteries are examined for occlusion, heart attack. When done, everything is more less put back and the Y-shaped incision is rather crudely sewn up.

      It would kill me to think of that being done to my wife unless it were mandated. I have seen far too many autopsies to treat it less than very seriously.

      Oh, and if it is a murder investigation, or suspicion of one, the reports and photographs are disseminated to whatever police are involved, state's attorney, and their staff, plus other folks like experts.

      With cremation, you get a box full of more or less burnt up body. A perfectly viable option, and one the Bear considers in lieu of the piano crate it would take to bury him.

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    2. Bear, I think Justice Scalia would sacrifice for the common good in death as well as life. I don't deny that autopsies are repugnant, gruesome, graphic but no pain is felt by the deceased, and the body would be surrendered patched up and intact for burial, no? Our Lord will have us in perfect form for the Last Judgement--28 years old with perfect BMI, no acne or stretch marks, I'm told.

      He was a giant of jurisprudence and was despised by many. If there was even a scintilla of suspicion regarding cause of death, surely he deserved an autopsy. Now many are bereft and ill will is escalating. If I was his wife and knew, via pillow talk, what some of his daily battles were with the forces of evil, I would champion an autopsy--but I'm pugnacious. His wife has her reasons for not wanting an autopsy and I don't judge her or the kids. This is not a hill I'm going to die on, but an autopsy would have brought a measure of national healing.

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    3. A scintilla of evidence maybe. Suspicions are a dime a dozen, which is why our system doesn't use suspicion for anything, the closest being probable cause.

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    4. I wasn't clear. I agree with you Sandpiper.

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  12. Almost certainly, she received a call from Obama, and was told what to do, to stem violence on the border. This is now being used to swing the primary away from border control- the threat of possibly border violence. This could continue through Nov.

    Her actions were contrary to Texas State Law, that unequivocally states an autopsy is essential if no physician was present at the time of death. That is the case for anyone. We must have the resolve to have the border brought to order, and should not let our national agenda affected by rowdys and gang action.

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    1. Please cite that part of the Texas code for me, if you don't mind. "Almost certainly" is a way of stating something as a fact without having any evidence to back it up. Did Obama call her before Scalia's death, or afterwards, to control her and keep her in line? Was Sheriff Danny C. Dominguez in on it, too? Anyone else?

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  13. “If you would know who controls, you see who you may not criticise.” ― Tacitus

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    1. Please, tell me, Your Honor, that you are not jumping on the "Scalia was assassinated because, well, Obama" brigade.

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    2. Rest assured, Bear. I am not of that opinion. I supposed that Tacitus wisdom might be apropos vis-a-vis the futility of the flaring one's nostrils for a whiff of the polecat.

      I believe God called the good justice home so that in the end, when He triumphs over evil, the victory will be seen as solely and indisputably His.

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  14. I have heart disease. I have had 2 heart attacks. If I die in my sleep tonight the LOGICAL conclusion will be that the 3rd heart attack did me in. I know that I am not a VIP, but why on earth would anyone who loved me, even a little bit, subject my earthly remains to an autopsy?

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    1. See the rather grim picture the Bear paints of an autopsy above.

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  15. The Bear hopes everyone realizes that headlines are occasionally provocative to make a point. Of course, the Bear cannot categorically rule out foul play in Justice Scalia's death. He can point out that there is nothing to suggest that there was. It is the difference between an exercise of the imagination, such as children engage in, and the hard currency of evidence. The Bear realizes most people cannot be expected to value evidence to the same degree as a criminal defense lawyer. It's a particular perspective that might be of more value than assumptions based on some very dark feelings about the current administration, some of which seem to have lost all connection with reality.

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    1. Its all make belive. Roe V Wade happened. What would be the value af a supreme court justice seat in 1972? 50 million babies?

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    2. Its all make belive. Roe V Wade happened. What would be the value af a supreme court justice seat in 1972? 50 million babies?

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  16. Ultimately, the reason people suspect that Scalia was murdered instead of dying in his sleep as is more likely the case is because the media itself is inviting the theory.

    Then it will call all it invited idiots for insisting on the logical conclusion to the bread-crumbs they followed and never acknowledge that they themselves (and the politicians who benefit from the division generated - say the one at Pennsylvania Ave ;-) ) left the breadcrumbs in the first place.

    Messy.

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  17. Listen, it's pretty obvious this was wet work perpetrated by a Vatican cybernetic zombie ninja Jesuit assassin. Prosecution rests.

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    1. Yes, thank you. I'm having trouble being serious today.
      Anyway, concerning the pillow thing, if this was a hit, the pillow would serve as a good distraction. Those who support this idea of a murder put too much weight on the pillow in my opinion.

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  18. When ABS heard that Justice Scalia died in Texas, his first thought was -Prolly Cheney shot him

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  19. In this case, Bear, I think you've erred.
    From what I've read and heard, the situation centers around the possibility that someone sought to cause Justice Scalia's death by suffocation. In this case, you say the Sheriff declared that he saw no signs of foul play, thus the Judge ruled him dead. OK, that's fine for Texas law, but that doesn't answer the real question. We might not worry about the sudden death of the average 79-year-old man, but Justice Scalia was not the average 79-year-old man. He was a well known public figure. If you or someone else would argue that authorities determined that death occurred by natural causes, I remind you that we don't typically consider a sheriff or judge to be the competent authorities regarding natural or un-natural death.
    At best, this case demonstrates serious naievete on the part of the Judge and Sheriff; at worst, well, we'll never know because nobody wished to admit to the possibility of anything else.

    Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but if there's no known evidence of foul play, neither has any investigation determined this to be the case. ...And given the degree of official indifference, there's no way to prove what happened either way. ...All too easy for a coverup to be inflicted this way.

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    1. The ranch owner has clarified that the pillow was over Scalia's head, not face, and was "pressed against the headboard." This does not suggest homicide to me, and probably didn't to Sheriff Dominguez. Also the peacefulness of the scene is a major clue.

      Yes, jurisdictions all over the country consider non-medical personnel competent to both declare death, and decide whether there is a homicide scene or not. Many use the coroner system, and the coroner (originally agent of the crown), who may be a garage mechanic with a gift for glad handing makes death determinations. (They aren't hard.) Who do you think decides whether to open a homicide investigation or not, John, if not police on the scene? I am assuming you believe a homicide investigation should have been opened just because, so we could have headlines screaming, "Police Suspect Scalia Murdered?"

      Aside from super-secret assassin theories, homicide scenes are not difficult to spot for experienced law enforcement personnel, and you could spot 99% of them. Probably the lack of any indication of a crime scene whatsoever formed Sheriff Dominguez's determination. He was on the scene, we weren't. The pillow takes us nowhere. And, by the way, there were U.S. Marshals on the scene. Do you suppose Sheriff Dominguez came to his conclusion over the objection of federal law enforcement personnel?

      He was a 79-year-old man in ill health. Too weak to undergo surgery for a torn rotator cuff. Heart disease and other chronic illnesses. I just can't work up surprise.

      I don't call you a conspiracy theorist, John, because you have not accused President Obama of having Scalia whacked, as we find elsewhere in the comments. Query: are autopsies performed over the family's objection when there is no suspected foul play, solely for the purpose of reducing (you will never stop it, because plan B would be that the autopsy was faked) speculation? Are you 100% certain no autopsy was performed after the body left Texas?

      I don't think being curious about different circumstances is unusual, or bad, especially for laymen. I am glad to see the original clues pointing to a conspiracy -- Judge Guevara's off-site declaration of death; no autopsy ordered; and the pillow -- seem to be losing steam and are being used to argue further steps should have been taken to preclude unseemly speculation.

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  20. In all seriousness, Bear, this kind of response will tend to fuel conspiracy theories, not quell them. You've effectively argued that trustworthy people have made a determination of the matter; any questions regarding the processes used to make that determination will simply be ignored and/or dismissed. Unfortunately, we've heard that from officials before, ...and learned later that such wasn't the case.

    "He was a 79-year-old man in ill health."
    "Query: are autopsies performed...speculation? Are you 100% certain no autopsy was performed after the body left Texas?"

    I didn't learn of his death until late the next day, Bear. When I did, I saw evidence that the Associate Justice had been seemingly in good health and great spirits in the night before, that a possibility existed that he had been found with a pillow in a place convenient for suffocation, and that two key officials had said pretty much nothing about the case to lay concerns to rest. In fact, I learned later that the Judge in question wouldn't speak to reporters at all about the case. I also learned that while they had technically fulfilled the letter of the law, they had done so in a manner that raised several legitimate questions regarding why they took the approach they took and why they wouldn't explain anything in more detail.
    These are classic signs of an attempted coverup.

    Any occasion that a person dies in a manner that could even hint at suspicious circumstances, officials usually will, at bare minimum, hold a press conference to answer questions. To date, I have not heard that anything of this sort happened in this case.

    At very best, they royally loused up in communicating to the public the idea that nothing untoward happened or that we could trust their word about the facts of the situation.

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    1. Did you read the Bear's latest article? "Cremated!" you all cried. But now we know he wasn't. "Cremation was to prevent an autopsy!" now we know there was opportunity to do so at Reed, and take tox samples, too. (Not saying we know that.) "Some sheriff in the middle of nowhere!" everyone cried. Well, yes, and an unknown number of U.S. Marshals who concurred, with the possibility of other federal personnel. "Judge didn't order an autopsy!" you cried. Now the lawyer who actually trains justices of the peace in this exact issue says "not unusual," "no red flags."

      But of course the Bear is experienced enough to know that you don't change people's minds who have already made up them up that "something smells fishy. Obama must have assassinated him!"

      This cagey old Bear suspects there are indeed things the public does not know. Believe it or not, when the government is involved, there usually are. But knowing what he knows, he suspects they would tend not to support the conspiracy theories.

      What would it take, John, to satisfy you? What if it is revealed tomorrow that there was an autopsy. This Bear is 100% positive that would make not the slightest difference. "Why, autopsies can be faked! This just PROVES that the highest echelons of government are involved!!!"

      In the history of the internet, no one's mind has ever been changed in a combox. Read the latest story anyway, and see how shriveled the conspiracy theories have become now, all their great pieces of evidence lost one by one.

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  21. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6008

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